Here's the recording of our November 2021 coaching call.

1. (19.02) I have found sitting for 1 hour in nature doing nothing VERY difficult. My resistance is amazing. I have visited Kestrel twice so far. I have a monkey brain, can't stay still for long and find silence a real struggle. I have achieved 30 mins so far.

Could I ask is it ok to sit and draw nature as this takes me into a different zone? Katrin

Reference book: Drawing Close to Nature, Peter London


2. (19.12) Can you say more about the intention for doing nothing in nature for some time? Sebastiana


3. (19.17) 
I never ‘see’ anything only hear things, e.g. muted verbal messages, but once had a VERY VERY strong smell of excrement. Any thoughts please.

 Cassie


Reference: Shamanic Journeying Trouble-shooting Guide


4. (19.25) Two part question –
a) My two companion guides (my Nordic Wolf and Coyote) both ALWAYS accompany me EVERWHERE - lower and upper worlds, and often accompany me to meet other guides whether that is animal or tree for example. Is that normal?
b) On my last journey (to Alder in coursework) they both sat between my legs very upright and rigid side by side facing away from me as I leant against the tree. When I moulded into the tree I could see my arms reaching into the ground as roots and my outstretched legs as roots reaching forward across the ground but still with Wolf and Coyote sitting there rigidly as though ‘on guard’. Usually Wolf is very, relaxed and measured and Coyote is usually skipping about or wrapping around my legs or shoulders, but they both looked very solid and very serious. Thoughts? Karen 


5. (19.33)When setting a mandala for ceremony space, are the directions symbolic or should they be orientated to align to the actual directions? I set mine up so I sat at South with North ahead, East to my right and West to my left but, thinking about this the next day as the sun was rising, I realised my 'North' was actually pointing to the West! Does this matter? Should I strive to have the directions aligned correctly? Dave


6. (19.36) I always thought I had to open the directions before I did any kind of journeying, however after going through the journeying course in the mystery school, opening the directions isn't mentioned. Please can I have some clarification on this. Jayne


7. (19.38) I find it difficult to go on an upper world  journey as I'm so frightened of heights I start to get panicky and my concentration goes. I have no such difficulty with the lower world as they are similar to inner grove journeys which I've practiced for some years now. I know this might seem silly, but it's a problem to me. Kay


8. (19.42) When will your cards be available please? I love my medicine cards, I am connected deeply with them but always longed for British animal medicine ones and your cards are going to be exactly what I’m looking for!  Willow


9. (19.45) As I posted recently on FB, I found a beautiful tawny owl on the main road which must have been hit by a car. I picked it up and moved it onto the verge - couldn’t bear to think of it being squashed. I wished its spirit peace and a safe flight, and left it. I’d love to go back and collect a feather in due course. Is this appropriate? I don’t want to dishonour the owl. Lindsay


10. (19.50) A short while ago I was asking about ancestors and that I was a bit concerned about some bad relatives coming through. I do have to tell one of them to go away sometimes, and I don't want that person to be anywhere near me. I've been so busy at work lately I haven't had a chance to look at the protection course yet, but if I do that course, do you think that will be helpful? Anny


11. (19.55) We have had some strange experience with crows for a while now. There is a crow (not sure if always the same one), sometimes two, and they attack certain windows, or the glass back door. Any ideas about this please? Kay

Resources: Book (recommended by Jan) The Genius of Birds, Jennifer Ackerman


12. (19.57) How is the Healing Drum mini-course going my friend, I know it was said it was going to grow into a bigger project? Iain


13. (20.00) At Samhain I was thinking about doing the underworld Journey circle this new year, but I thought to myself, would Samhain be the right time of year to do this or would the power be too strong, or too strong at the moment? Iain


14. (20.02) Sometimes when journeying, I see people I know, especially early in journey, often those I have seen or had contact with that day, and worry I am not truly in the lower world. Thoughts? Deb


15. (20.08) How do you keep fur and feather moths away from your feathers and fur? I had a moth problem and had to throw away two sheep hides, and they also were at the feathers, and now I have nearly all feathers in the freezer all the time, because here and there I still find moths. Xenia


16. (20.08) Shortly after I received my oaken drum ‘intuition’ from you I had an experience which I still wonder about but life has been so full ...I kept my new drum in my bedroom and I woke up one morning and was just wondering about an ache/ tension in my neck and thinking about a homeopathic remedy called Bryonia. Sometimes it’s described for the feeling of being a bear with a sore head and often for right sided issues. Anyway I was in a very relaxed open state and I saw over my drum to my right a great brown bear came - almost like in the corner of my vision. I feel that my drum is a healing drum and now that Bear is going to be part of our retreat, might this be an opportunity to follow up, I have not yet journeyed to the spirit of my drum? Alison

The transcript of the chat is below.

Transcript of the chat

18:57:41 From Karen Barton : Hi from South Devonxx
18:57:43 From Leonard To All Panelists : Hello Leonard . Nottingham
18:57:51 From paulacaffrey : Hi from Liverpool
18:57:51 From Brenda : Hi everyone from Essex
18:57:55 From Dan : Hi from Newcastle
18:57:59 From Sue Stone : hi from Anne & Sue in Morecambe
18:58:02 From UpDog Yoga Life : Hello from Glasgow!
18:58:03 From rachel : Hi Rachel in Blackpool
18:58:03 From Tina Burchill To All Panelists : hello Nicola, Jason and everyone
18:58:06 From Xenia Meinert : Hi everyone from Northern Germany!
18:58:06 From kathycar : Hi, Kathy from Petersfield
18:58:07 From david : Hi from Birmingham!
18:58:07 From Susan Wild To All Panelists : Good evening x
18:58:21 From Kay Case : hello from liverpool
18:58:21 From karen : Hi from Karen and Cassie in Cornwall!
18:58:25 From Gaynor : Hi all from Kent
18:58:27 From PremChevi Todd To All Panelists : hi from filey
18:58:38 From Tina Burchill : hello everyone, I just realised that!
18:58:44 From Vicki : good evening from Vicki & Jeff in Warwickshire x
18:58:55 From PremChevi Todd : hi from filey
18:58:59 From alysonpowell : Hello from South Wales. x
18:59:13 From jayne powell : Hello from stoke-on-Trent
18:59:14 From Iain bell : hello iain from Norwich Norfolk
18:59:19 From Joss Anderson : Hi everyone - from Cambridgeshire!!
18:59:22 From Di To All Panelists : Hi from Di in Welshpool
18:59:34 From UpDog Yoga Life To All Panelists : Richard in Glasgow - sorry, I signed in under wrong account
18:59:35 From Katrin Grisby : Katrin from Lincoln
18:59:57 From Alison Gaffney : Hello - just made it! Alison from a South London - beautiful moon tonight
19:00:01 From Tina Burchill To Di and All Panelists : If you want everyone to see your message, you need to click on everyone in the ‘to’ box. If you don’t, only myself, Jason and Nicola will see it.
19:00:12 From Asher : hello from totnes 🙂
19:00:45 From Mandy To All Panelists : Mandy from Weymouth
19:01:02 From Tina Burchill : I will indeed x
19:01:02 From Annkat : hello 👋
19:01:10 From Kim Cooper : Hi 🙂 from Plymouth. The moon is beautiful here too 🌓
19:01:12 From Lynn : Hi from Devon
19:01:16 From Maureen Sammut : Hi from Maureen in Partington manchester
19:01:16 From Mandy : Mandy from Weymouth
19:01:19 From Tina Burchill : You're welcome
19:01:19 From Sheila Craig : hello from Sheila in Altrincham x
19:01:27 From Rob Lines : Greetings all. Beautiful half moon here in Trowse, Norwich. 🙂
19:01:41 From fae : Evening everyone x
19:02:15 From Gill Dunkerley To All Panelists : Hello all,, lovely to be here!
19:02:50 From Eileen : Very Happy Continuation Day
19:02:56 From Gill Dunkerley To All Panelists : Oooh love an egg custard
19:03:28 From Annie : Hi from Annie in Norfolk
19:04:18 From Faye : So glad someone else asked this question as I 100% relate!!
19:08:46 From Katrin Grisby : Thank you I think that’s great advice, I’ll use it as a stepping . I agree there’s a bit around allowing myself time out
19:08:51 From Eileen : I ended up in a Flotarium Pod last week. Floating, relaxing, releasing in Epsom salts for an hour in the dark. Felt I had returned to the Womb .
19:09:30 From Rob Lines : That sounds similar to the surfers that rush from car to waves rather than sit to watch and understand the waves for 30 minutes first.
19:09:53 From Sebastiana Black : Can you say more about the intention for doing nothing in nature for some time?
19:10:56 From Katrin Grisby : Thank you Jason great ideas & advice
19:14:54 From Alison Gaffney : Connecting with the spirit of place, I have made art in the landscape in the wilds of Cornwall and I found myself there - it took a long time to find my spot and was about being and the story would emmerge
19:15:32 From Anny Turner : The trees would love your slow company
19:16:12 From Eileen : I have been lying beside my Healing Hawthorn.
19:16:21 From Tequeena : that sounds like a good use of time. it's great to take time to appreciate the sacred and connect
19:16:35 From Lindsay Trevarthen : QUESTION: As I posted recently on FB, I found a beautiful tawny owl on the main road which must have been hit by a car. I picked it up and moved it onto the verge - couldn’t bear to think of it being squashed. I wished its spirit peace and a safe flight, and left it. I’d love to go back and collect a feather in due course. Is this appropriate? I don’t want to dishonour the owl. (I’ll have to watch any reply on the replay.)
19:16:48 From Kay Ullrich : We get some strange experience with crows for a while now. There is usually one but sometimes two crows, type of attacking certain windows or the back glass door. But they won’t come in, sometimes the window was slightly open. They are just attacking the panes. This happens at my boyfriend’s holiday home in Wales. Could you please share your ideas about this?
19:16:58 From Rob Lines : There is a tree in my local wood that I visit most days. Normally spend 10 minutes and have spend an hour there. The local dog walkers now refer to that beech as Rob's tree.
19:17:26 From Katrin Grisby : I think finding the right spot is a good point. Thank you
19:17:39 From karen : I'm here!
19:17:50 From Tequeena : Rob 😂😊
19:18:09 From Annkat : Robs tree 🌳
19:18:13 From karen : cassie is just running off to get her journal to see what the intention was
19:18:51 From karen : veru first journey to explore the upper world
19:20:05 From karen : cassie says that makes sense
19:21:01 From karen : she was worried because I karen am very visual and she couldn t see anything but that makes a lot of sense
19:22:00 From Joss Anderson : For a long while I smelt tobacco strongly. I don't smoke and I even accused my teenage son of smoking in the house! But when I started connecting with spirit, it stopped immediately; I believe it was spirit trying to get my attention.
19:22:06 From karen : Cassie says that's very comforting to her to know this
19:22:07 From Gill Dunkerley To All Panelists : I’m quite visual and didn’t see images but on a journey recently (I’m new to this) I just heard “We would”. Very clearly. I didn’t know what that meant but this makes sense too now you’ve said that.
19:22:37 From fae : Most of my messages come through dreams
19:23:21 From Lesley-Anne To All Panelists : Clairalience is one of the five Clair senses . I worked with a client who experienced very strong smells which evoked memories
19:23:29 From karen : cassie says thank you
19:23:54 From fae : That’s very true 😁
19:24:31 From karen : fab thank you
19:26:10 From Fausta DiMascio : I have 2 animals that stay with me on every journey - wolf and puma
19:28:10 From Tina Burchill To All Panelists : yes it is
19:28:49 From karen : makes sense hi yes same karen. wow not sure about either as I would have thought I can set boundaries and be flexible when required but will look into it
19:29:54 From Zoom Admin : Hi, is it my device or is mic quieter than usual tonight?
19:30:16 From karen : i have lost my way a bit recently maybe its telling me to come back stronger????????
19:30:22 From Annkat : my sound ok ty
19:30:25 From Susan Wild : I don't find doing a journey easy I tend to fall asleep. I get strange dreams. the last one I was visited by a cat a robin with an injured leg and a squirrel and was feeding them all with food. a bit confused with that
19:31:02 From Zoom Admin : thank you, sorry for interrupting but that is better 🙂
19:31:20 From karen : good thought yes
19:31:55 From karen : aha hence the arms as roots in the water
19:32:14 From karen : gotcha thank you
19:32:23 From Rob Lines : Alder. Interesting. It's an Alder tree that marks a U-Turn of a parkrun I'm helping to set up.
19:32:47 From Anny Turner : Question - A short while ago I was asking about ancestors and that I was a bit concerned about some bad relatives coming through. I do have to tell one of them to ...go away sometimes, and I don't want that person to be anywhere near me. I've been so busy at work lately I haven't had a chance to look at the Protection course yet, but if I do that course, do you think that will be helpful? I just haven't had a chance yet
19:33:13 From karen : i shall journey back indeed and maybe ask wold and coyote why they were sitting like that - didn't think of it at the time
19:35:02 From Tequeena : I have a compass, I align my mandalas and crystal grids but the intention is what I feel is more important
19:35:14 From david : Perfect, thank you! I’ll sort a compass out!😆
19:36:08 From Deb Singleton : Question; sometimes when journeying, i see people i know , esp early in journey...often those I have seen or had contact with that day and worry I am not truly in the lower world??
19:36:26 From Anny Turner : How strange! I have needed to know where North is, wherever I am, for years...I wonder why?
19:39:53 From Anny Turner : I used to feel like that with my first upperworld journeys, but I trusted in my companion guide and now I really enjoy it, and I am really bad with heights!
19:40:23 From Tina Burchill To All Panelists : LindsayAs I posted recently on FB, I found a beautiful tawny owl on the main road which must have been hit by a car. I picked it up and moved it onto the verge - couldn’t bear to think of it being squashed. I wished its spirit peace and a safe flight, and left it. I’d love to go back and collect a feather in due course. Is this appropriate? I don’t want to dishonour the owl. (I’ll have to watch any reply on the replay.)
19:40:45 From Fausta DiMascio : I add a cage type thing around me on a staircase so I feel safe and won't fall
19:40:59 From Rob Lines : Get a bird to fly you up?
19:41:50 From Tina Burchill To All Panelists : LindsayAs I posted recently on FB, I found a beautiful tawny owl on the main road which must have been hit by a car. I picked it up and moved it onto the verge - couldn’t bear to think of it being squashed. I wished its spirit peace and a safe flight, and left it. I’d love to go back and collect a feather in due course. Is this appropriate? I don’t want to dishonour the owl. (I’ll have to watch any reply on the replay.)
19:42:08 From Tina Burchill To All Panelists : Quewstion above
19:42:45 From Kay Case : thanks for the ideas I feel I miss a lot not journeying upwards
19:42:45 From Katrin Grisby : I’m also scared of heights. When I travel up I don’t visualise the ground or looking down
19:43:04 From Willow : Exciting!!! (cards)
19:43:25 From Xenia Meinert : So excited About the Cards!
19:43:39 From Anny Turner : Yes Yes! The Book and the cards!
19:43:53 From Xenia Meinert : Cards and book, yay!
19:44:09 From Rob Lines : The size of "normal" playing cards. Bridge cards would be wonderful. Thank you. The Wild wood tarot deck I have are a little awkward to shuffle.
19:44:19 From Karen Bateman-Pearson : This is very exciting- can't wait!
19:44:38 From Helen Conway : Amazing!! Can't wait!! xxx
19:47:45 From Iain bell : QA: Jasson and Nicola this Samhain I was thinking about doing the underworld Jounery circle this new year but I thought to myself would samhain right time of year to do this as I would say the power as we have just gone Samhain would to strong at the moment help please?
19:50:00 From Tina Burchill To All Panelists : AnnyA short while ago I was asking about ancestors and that I was a bit concerned about some bad relatives coming through. I do have to tell one of them to ...go away sometimes, and I don't want that person to be anywhere near me. I've been so busy at work lately I haven't had a chance to look at the Protection course yet, but if I do that course, do you think that will be helpful?
19:50:10 From Anny Turner : How do you preserve them?
19:52:06 From Iain bell : QA: Jasson how is the healing Drum Mini Course going my friend I know said it was grow in bigger project?
19:52:48 From Anny Turner : OH YES! I forgot about that, Ancestor Ally I meant to watch that I think it's been fear that freezes me from thinking straight, from being a child. But Oh Thank you!Oh Thank You! ☺️
19:53:15 From Tina Burchill To All Panelists : Debsometimes when journeying, i see people i know , especially early in journey...often those I have seen or had contact with that day and worry I am not truly in the lower world??
19:53:39 From Anny Turner : Yes
19:55:12 From Anny Turner : 😆
19:57:04 From Xenia Meinert : How do you Keep fur and feather moths away from your feathers and fur? I had a moth problem and had to throw away two sheep hides, and they also were at the feathers, and now I have nearly all feathers in the freezer all the time, because here and there I still find moths.
19:57:05 From Tina Burchill To All Panelists : Debsometimes when journeying, i see people i know , especially early in journey...often those I have seen or had contact with that day and worry I am not truly in the lower world??
19:57:09 From Sebastiana Black : I was lucky enough to find a an owl and after I asked, it seemed ok to take a wing, I put the wing in dry rice which took all the moisture out of the remaining muscle. Worked a treat.
19:57:24 From kathycar : Other birds have done this to me eg. Magpies and long tailed tits
19:57:27 From Jan : Read the Genius of Birds. Crows can recognise themselves in mirrors!
19:57:45 From Kay Ullrich : Thank you!
19:58:23 From Jan : by Jennifer Ackerman. about the science of bird intelligence. fascinating!
19:58:55 From Rob Lines : Thanks Jan. 🙂
19:59:02 From Miranda : Love Blue purring about the drumming class
19:59:07 From Tina Burchill To All Panelists : Debsometimes when journeying, i see people i know , especially early in journey...often those I have seen or had contact with that day and worry I am not truly in the lower world??
20:00:17 From Eileen : Robert Macfarlane's "Underland" enoightens and
20:00:26 From Xenia Meinert : Yes, corvids are extremely intelligent. They also remember if humans were mean or nice to them, and even tell other corvids about which human is nice and who is not.
20:01:05 From Xenia Meinert : I enjoy Jason cuddling Blue. Blue is absolutely Beautiful.
20:01:44 From Eileen : Enlightens-The World Wide Wood
20:02:21 From Tina Burchill To All Panelists : Debsometimes when journeying, i see people i know , especially early in journey...often those I have seen or had contact with that day and worry I am not truly in the lower world??
20:04:13 From Kim Cooper : This is my first coaching call. I really appreciate the informal style and the fullness of your responses. I really like sharing time with you both. Thank you 🙏
20:05:35 From Eileen : Gratitude for All Your Hard Work.
20:05:40 From Tina Burchill To All Panelists : XeniaHow do you Keep fur and feather moths away from your feathers and fur? I had a moth problem and had to throw away two sheep hides, and they also were at the feathers, and now I have nearly all feathers in the freezer all the time, because here and there I still find moths.
20:05:43 From Deb Singleton : Thank you -that helps!
20:06:07 From Iain bell : QA: EEK!! Jasson wow a 60 hours a master class I can not wait for this my friend please let when it's out although an eye on the e-mails for it with regards to the underworld I would like to do the underworld journey now only as said jasson the energy of samhain is making a bit nervous but I wounder if I do it know it my be more powerful than at winter Soltices.
20:06:49 From Tina Burchill To All Panelists : XeniaHow do you Keep fur and feather moths away from your feathers and fur? I had a moth problem and had to throw away two sheep hides, and they also were at the feathers, and now I have nearly all feathers in the freezer all the time, because here and there I still find moths.
20:08:09 From Iain bell : QA: So sorry been a crazy day but just a remind the cards are for inspiration and away to journey.
20:08:34 From Fausta DiMascio : We had a proper murder of crows over my back garden this weekend - really noisy flying overhead for a good 15 mins
20:08:48 From Alison Gaffney : QUESTION shortly after I received my oaken drum ‘intuition’ from you I had an experience which I still wonder about but life has been so full ...
I kept my new drum in my bedroom and I woke up one morning and was just wondering about an ache/ tension in my neck and thinking about a homeopathic healing remedy called bryonia. Sometimes it’s described for the feeling of being a bear with a sore head and often fir right sided issues. Anyway I was in a very relaxed open state and I saw over my drum to my right a great brown bear came - almost like in the corner of my vision. I feel that my drum is a healing drum and now that Bear is going to be part of our retreat - might this be an opportunity to follow up ... I have not yet journeyed to the spirit of my drum
20:08:48 From Xenia Meinert : Wow, you're incredibly lucky! 🙂
20:08:49 From Tina Burchill To All Panelists : no more qs
20:08:56 From Tina Burchill To All Panelists : yes
20:10:14 From Ann : Use lavender, the smell keeps moths away. I use lavender in open bowls and in drawers etc
20:11:43 From fae : I have blocks of cedar in my drawers 😁
20:11:43 From kathycar : I still make lavender bags
20:12:36 From Joss Anderson : Exciting!! Can't wait to hear more about the retreats 🙂
20:12:38 From Xenia Meinert : Thank you Ann - I use lavender, cedar Wood and cedar oil, parasitic wasps, and even moth balls - Nothing helped. I think the moths came in with a Thing I bought, and then they found wool, fur and feathers.
20:13:07 From Xenia Meinert : Exciting! I'm Looking Forward to the Bear Necessities. 🙂
20:13:40 From Annkat : looking forward to the retreat.
20:13:57 From Lynn : I am disabled, mobility challenged so please make them

accessible for meee
20:14:11 From Anny Turner : Hurrah! I am supposed to be doing two things with work on the retreat day and I've said NO!!! Cos TWofTB is MY most important thing!!
20:14:39 From Iain bell : QA:Yes Yes Yes so if I feel comfortable to attended space to Emerge at the moment it's going ahead!! but if I Do not feel comfortable coming then would be able to postpone to 2023
20:14:46 From Ann : Thank you, that was really helpful.
20:14:51 From Mandy : Thankyou 💫
20:14:55 From Annie : Thank you for a lovely evening. Looking forward to the retreat.
20:14:55 From Annkat : Thank-you for tonight 😁take care
20:15:04 From Leonard : Thank you both. ,
20:15:12 From karen : thank you for your advice from both of us
20:15:12 From Gaynor : thank you both x
20:15:21 From Gill Dunkerley : Thanks for your company all x
20:15:22 From Brenda : Many thanks - lots of information xx
20:15:23 From caroline To All Panelists : Thank you both
20:15:23 From Tequeena : thanks. much love all 💗
20:15:24 From Xenia Meinert : Thank you very much, very interesting and helpful - i really enjoyed the evening.
20:15:27 From david : Thank you so much. x
20:15:28 From Helen Conway : Thank you both xxx
20:15:30 From Dan : Thank you, looking forward to the online retreat week on Sat 🙂
20:15:30 From Lisa Morgan : Thank you! x
20:15:30 From Xenia Meinert : Good night all. xxx
20:15:32 From Kay Ullrich : Thank you so much xxx
20:15:32 From Joss Anderson : Thank you Nicola and Jason - wonderful as always 🙂
20:15:33 From fae : Thank you everyone, Nicola, Jason, Blue and Tina xx
20:15:34 From Anny Turner : Lovely! Thank You Thank You both .🙏
20:15:37 From Alison Gaffney : Thank you so much - it’s been really special and Blue made me laugh
20:15:41 From Katrin Grisby : Thank you 🙏 for the advice and ideas not just on my question
20:15:46 From Fausta DiMascio : blessed be to all xx
20:15:49 From Sue Stone : thank you again
20:15:59 From Asher : thanks so much..george xx
20:16:03 From alysonpowell : Learned so many things again tonight. Thank you for sharing. Have a good week. xx
20:16:05 From Lynn : Really good to chat.learnt so much
20:16:10 From Xenia Meinert : Oh yes, Blue purr Meditation! 😀
20:16:12 From Patsy Watten : Good Night all 🙂 Thank you Nicola & Jason and Blue of course <3
20:16:13 From Sue : Thanks Jason & Nicola.
20:16:14 From Karen Bateman-Pearson : Thanks to everyone for the questions and for your sharing Jason and Nicola- see you all soon xxx
20:16:23 From kathycar : Thank you for tonight, lovely to be with you, see you at the Retreat. Take care all x
20:16:24 From Kay Case : thank you both
20:16:25 From Fiona Keane (Galaxy S5) : Interesting and helpful as always☺
20:16:27 From jayne powell : Thank you xx
20:16:27 From Karen Barton : Thank you x
20:16:29 From Tina Burchill To All Panelists : night x
20:16:29 From Sandy : Thank you, medicine for the soul xx
20:16:30 From Brie To All Panelists : Thank you

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